Paranoid over Webb Decorations

It has been some time since I Have seen an antique Burmese fairy lamp with a modern decoration.  I guess it was wishful thing that I thought they had stopped producing them.  But, sadly, that is not the case

After a long hiatus, they're back.

Three Burmese fairy lamps with modern decorations are being offered on eBay by an unsuspecting seller.  They're three separate auctions.  This number will take you to one of them:  251607842489.  They all have the same decoration.

Just when you think the spread of modern decorations as sucsided a bit, a new designer shows up:

Or, am I so paranoid that I fail to recognize a rare, unknown, and unidentified Webb decoration when I see it?  I think not.

I'm actually glad to hear that the fake decoration IS easily removed and the original glass isn't altered/ruined forever.
Jno

I just recieved the first report of someone washing off (to their dismay) a newly applied decoration on antique Burmese ware. I am very interested in knowing if anyone else has had a similar experience. Or, any reports to the contrary.

Jim.

I thought I would add a couple more examples of modern decorations for the record:

To the best of my knowledge, no one has reported any attempts to remove the paint. I would be very surprised if the new paint did not come off easily with some type of remover.

I would love for someone to try it and report back to us.

Forgive me if I've missed this part of the discussion, but, has anyone attempted to remove the new decoration from any of these pieces? I doubt that they are fired on in any way. I'm thinking that a soaking in lacquer thinner SHOULD do the trick, and I know it would not affect the glass or satin finish itself.

At least this would be returning the pieces to their original state.

Thanks,
Jno

Yes, this seller has tried to sell this piece many times in the past. The sad part is that I believe this is an unwitting seller that probably paid too much for this piece and may never recover their investment.

Jim.

Here is another example of what I believe is newly added decorations.

Here is another pair of pyramid-size Burmese fairy lamps with modern decorations.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221147141331
SOLD $300

Here is another example of a modern decoration of antique Burmese ware:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221147146511
SOLD $170

Here is another example of the same modern decoration on antique Burmese fairy lamps. In this case, I believe the seller is unwitting of what he is offering for auction. Hopefully, he did not pay too much for them.

I have posted the prices realized at auction on these two vases. I think the prices are appropriate for "undecorated" Webb Burmese ware. Waddya think?

Jim.

I thought I would document a couple more examples of modern decoration on antique Burmese ware.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221125774272
SOLD $182.50

http://www.ebay.com/itm/320983931489
SOLD $152.50

I would say that whilst slightly better decorated than some this pieces we have seen this has no grey/green shadow leaves etc that the originals have and as this piece is on sale from the same UK seller I would say it was not painted in Webb's time !

What do you think of this recent example of decorated Burmese?

We would need to find an exact example of Burmese without any painted design to see any price variation.

I have added the selling prices to each of the most recent three items with modern decorations. So, my question is: "What effect, if anything, did the decorations have on the final auction prices?"
Jim.

As Jim has pointed out this is the same seller as before. I tried to see if I could report him to ebay but it would be hard to prove he is doing anything wrong, as the glass is probably Webb Burmese and he/she is careful not to be too specific about the decoration so it is left to the buyer judgement !

This UK seller is the same one that started this a few years ago. He/she has also used different UserID's to auction these products. What is most disturbing that these products have been bought and resold by unsuspecting sellers in the US. As time passes, these products will be bought and sold as legitimate Barbe decorated Burmese. Thet is my rationale for documenting these products whenever I see them.

I suspect this seller as a "paid artist" who decorates these antiques in enamel and gold gilt on a variety of art glass. He also applies "Mary Gregory-type" decorations to antique glass.

Jim.

I wonder how all three pieces ended up with the same seller. Did they buy an estate with these pieces in it, or did they have the pieces already and commission someone to paint them, as two of them are done with the same pattern? In the past on eBay, many of the newly painted pieces have come from a single source in the UK, but now it looks like we might have a copycat.
I haven’t been following the sales of these newly painted pieces (as I have no interest in them) but I do wonder if the painted designs help or hinder the sale price. The bids should be low or non-existent from experienced collectors as they pass the pieces off as semi-fake, but do the novices run the price up hoping to get a good piece?

Following are three more examples of newly applied decorations on antique Burmese ware.

Well, what do you think? Real or Memorex?

For comparison purposes, I have put together a mosaic of the gilt decorations we have seen over the past few months. The image is quite large (1.2mb) and I did not want to burden your mailbox with it. So, I have put it on-line for your review. The image is at:

www.fairy-lamp.com/Temp/Gilt_Comparison.jpg

Now, included in the mosaic are a few of what some believe are authentic period decorations. Your challenge is to find them.

Jim.

P.S. These are all separate pieces....there are no duplications.